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« Reply #180 on: October 03, 2018, 05:36:10 PM »

I would probably go with either the fel pro 1008 or factory gasket which is about 0.40"  - might need thicker yet depending on deck height, piston to wall clearance and CR.
What would you CR be with that setup?

BUT it depends on your piston to cyl. wall clearance - if it is tight like the factory pistons (OEM specs (0.001-0.002") you can run as tight as 0.30 piston to head clearance but that is about the tightest, 0.40" would be safer.   MORE piston to cyl wall clearance will require slightly more piston to head clearance as the piston rocks at TDC and can hit the head.
I did find this, but it was about a small block chevy but most all wedge head engines are the same.

So now let’s introduce a tighter quench space into this equation. All of the respected engine builders who we’ve talked to are firm believers in minimizing the quench clearance. According to Ken Duttweiler, the tightest quench he recommends is around 0.050-inch. He has built engines with far tighter clearances than this, but much of this depends on the piston-to-wall clearance. All pistons tend to rock slightly as they transition through TDC and this rocking motion reduces the piston-to-head clearance. Smaller-diameter pistons with tight piston-to-wall clearances don’t rock nearly as much in the cylinder bore compared to larger-bore pistons with wider piston-to-wall clearances.
Since piston clearance plays such a big part in piston-to-head clearance, it is possible to run a piston-to-head clearance tighter than 0.040-inch if you feel brave. Noted horsepower hero John Lingenfelter says that clearances of 0.037 to 0.040 inch are possible, but you must know what you’re doing. The late Smokey Yunick also recommended a quench clearance of 0.040 inch as a safe but critical clearance.

My pistons came out to zero deck clearance.  The Machine shop recommended "at least" .050 thick head gaskets for this reason.

I'm probably gonna use Cometic head gaskets, I found some online that were .040 overbore and .051 thick.  Does this sound like the right gasket? Also Richard/HiPoTek can you get these? And what would compression be with this size gasket?

My other question is there a cheaper head gasket I can use for "Mock Up" with clay that is the same or close thickness to make sure I don't have Piston to valve clearance issues?  Or should I just spring for 2 sets of Cometic head gaskets.
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« Reply #181 on: October 03, 2018, 11:40:10 PM »

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My pistons came out to zero deck clearance.  The Machine shop recommended "at least" .050 thick head gaskets for this reason.

I'm probably gonna use Cometic head gaskets, I found some online that were .040 overbore and .051 thick.  Does this sound like the right gasket? Also Richard/HiPoTek can you get these? And what would compression be with this size gasket?

My other question is there a cheaper head gasket I can use for "Mock Up" with clay that is the same or close thickness to make sure I don't have Piston to valve clearance issues?  Or should I just spring for 2 sets of Cometic head gaskets.
Yes I can get the Cometic head gaskets.  The .051 is the compressed thickness.  Nothing beats using the actual material you are going to use but you might want to check the OEM gasket you removed for its compressed thickness.  It may be something around .054 but I don't remember off the top of my head. 
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« Reply #182 on: October 10, 2018, 05:40:05 PM »

The compressed thickness of my old "stock" head gasket is .044.
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« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2019, 06:14:19 PM »

I got the Cometic head gaskets from Hi-Potek/Richard and they look to be of high quality with quick shipping

I've had bad luck with sparkplug wires over the years dealing with Taylor Cable (made in mexico now) so I thought I'd try something different for this build.  I bought some B & B Manufacturing Corporation M8-58380 8mm wires, they are made in the USA and have very good reviews.  I also picked up some Autolight 3923 sparkplugs.

What do you guys think of these parts for my build?
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« Reply #184 on: January 03, 2019, 02:27:59 AM »

I tihink B&B is Billy Boat - former Indy Car driver?
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« Reply #185 on: January 03, 2019, 01:22:13 PM »

I got the Cometic head gaskets from Hi-Potek/Richard and they look to be of high quality with quick shipping

I've had bad luck with sparkplug wires over the years dealing with Taylor Cable (made in mexico now) so I thought I'd try something different for this build.  I bought some B & B Manufacturing Corporation M8-58380 8mm wires, they are made in the USA and have very good reviews.  I also picked up some Autolight 3923 sparkplugs.

What do you guys think of these parts for my build?
never heard of those wires before, the B&B ones,
I used a couple of sets of Taylor wires like 25 years ago when Super Shops were still around....  maybe 30 years ago. seemed OK at the time.
Now a days, I have been buying the high line Napa "wired for Life" ones.
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« Reply #186 on: January 03, 2019, 08:13:45 PM »

I tihink B&B is Billy Boat - former Indy Car driver?

 Im not sure.

I am also not sure of the Made in USA claim.  On their contact page their mailing address is Puerto Rico.  While Puerto Rico is a US territory and they pay income tax, it still seems weird.  Regardless if they look of good quality, I'll give them a shot.  I'd rather give my money to Puerto Rico than China or Mexico or any other country.

Here is their website:  http://bbmanufacturing.com/

What do you guys think of the Autolite 3923 spark plugs I picked out?
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« Reply #187 on: January 04, 2019, 01:13:12 AM »

Autolite 3923 has been a go-to Magnum plug for years, should be fine.
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« Reply #188 on: February 18, 2019, 05:12:29 PM »

One of the final parts I need is a Torque Converter.  There is nothing wrong with my stock TC but I think an upgrade here will equal some speed.  Any thoughts?

I do not plan to tow or carry more than 1500-2000 LBS ever with this truck when its done.

Need opinions on stall speed...

Thanks!
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« Reply #189 on: February 18, 2019, 05:59:48 PM »

I just had a 2400 stall from PATC grenade and and cause me an entire rebuild and wash down of contaminants. real drag! may have lasted 30/ 40k miles. maybe monster trans has something in a 2400.
this trans this time around has a "precision" of newhampshire TQ with a billet cover and 1600 stall. feels like a grocery getter once again.
come to think of it- they also have street and drag option TQs! not cheap
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« Reply #190 on: February 19, 2019, 03:15:36 AM »

If you are building this for spirited driving with occasional loads you could go with a 2600-2800 stall. 

I've been running a 2800 in my 408 with good results. 
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« Reply #191 on: February 19, 2019, 05:49:40 PM »

Thanks for the input guys.

I was thinking 2400 stall speed but if I can do a 2600 stall I will.  Being a quadcab Ram 1500 I worry about the weight of the truck being an issue with the 2800-3000 stall, maybe I'm overthinking things. In reality this truck will be lucky to hit a very spirited 10,000 miles per year when complete.
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« Reply #192 on: February 20, 2019, 07:05:14 AM »

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I was thinking 2400 stall speed but if I can do a 2600 stall I will.  Being a quadcab Ram 1500 I worry about the weight of the truck being an issue with the 2800-3000 stall, maybe I'm overthinking things. In reality this truck will be lucky to hit a very spirited 10,000 miles per year when complete.
Frequent heavier loads are better with a tighter converter but it is a matter of how often you do it.  If it is fairly often then the 2400 may be the better choice.  The only time a higher stall comes into play is when you are leaving the line in a hurry so it engages at a higher rpm putting you more into the engine torque range out of the gate.  I believe your cam is a 224/230 in a 408 so it will make some good torque.  If you are more into jazzy of-the-line take-offs with less towing then the higher stall is more appropriate.  If you think you'll be doing a fair amount of towing then the 2400 may be best.  The 2400 with a 408 will still be fun on the street.
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« Reply #193 on: February 20, 2019, 06:18:09 PM »

Traction has been an issue with 275's tires and the DANA Trac-Lok before this build but I look to level it and maybe add a caltrack type setup in the future.  

Since I'm getting rid of my self identifying German Chevy SUV ASAP, I will be getting a pickup truck to do the future towing.  I pulled the hitch off the my Ram.  So there will be zero towing with my Ram.

The 2600 stall looks tempting now...

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My Cam is part# 20-000-9
Grind# CRS 3314B/3015B HR110.0
Duration @.050 Intake 224 Exhaust 224
Lobe lift Intake .3350 Exhaust .3590
LSA110
Gross valve lift... Intake .536 Exhaust .574
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« Reply #194 on: February 21, 2019, 04:45:04 AM »

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