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« on: October 02, 2013, 04:20:03 PM »

So i have been looking into oil filters lately. You see i usually use AMSoil and their filters. Here recently i couldn't find my filter, so this prompted me to seek and alternative filters. So here is what I've come up with.


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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 04:29:37 PM »

Findings:

The basic Fram is still crap. Fewest pleats and therefore least amount of filter area. Cardboard end-caps. The TG Fram is better. Still has cardboard end-caps but has 15% more filter media and a screened by-pass valve. The XG Fram is, can't believe I'm saying this, a decent filter. This is the only filter tested that used a different type of filter media. It was more fiberglass in nature vs. paperish for all the rest and is supported with a metal mesh. So even though it has less area, it is 2-3 times as thick. STP and SuperTech are the exact same filter. Decent filter area but cheaply made and the felt end caps detached from the filter media with frightening ease. No by-pass valve. Mopar and Purolator PremiumPlus are the exact same filter. Plenty of filter media with metal end caps which are impossible to remove from the filter media as seen by the dead Mopar filter. Purolator PureOne and Bosch are the exact same filter. Largest amount of filter media with metal end caps which are also impossible to remove from the filter media. All four of the latter are made by the same manufacture with the only difference between the two sets is the Mopar/Purolator PremiumPlus has the by-pass valve in the front, built into the stem and the Bosch/Purolator PureOne has the by-pass valve located in the back via a 45-speed record adapter spring thingy along with 4 more pleats of filter media. Also, the PureOne has the best paint job. A nice royal blue w/ pearl coat. The Wix and NAPA Gold are the same filter but the NAPA Gold had 4 more pleats (61 vs 57) than the Wix. Was this by design or was it a machine assembly variance, probably the latter since everything else was exactly the same. The filters were similar to the Mopar and the Purolator PremiumPlus but made by someone else. They had a similar stem based by-base which was not attached to the filter media but loosely sits in the end-cap without a gasket. The Wix and NAPA Gold also had the second least amount of filter media. They had metal end-caps with the filter media permanently attached. The Mobil 1 and the K&N are exactly the same filter less the 1" bung thingy on the K&N. Both are heavy due to their thick bases and smaller inlet holes. They too had the stem based by-pass valve firmly attached to the end-cap but only had 55 pleats, the second fewest. It did have the deepest pleats which equals fifth in area and the filter media was slightly thicker than most. Had metal end-caps with the filter media permanently attached.




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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 04:32:55 PM »

and the rest...how this helps someone in the oil filter department.


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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 07:02:44 PM »

Good job Northwest5.9!!!

Also k&n oil filters are made by Baldwin. Baldwin filters are red and are missing the bung nut but its the exact same filter at about 1/2 the price.

Protec are made by Wix but only cost $2 per filter

Another thing to consider is the Motorcraft FL1A or cross referenced equivalent, its fits mopars perfectly and is a longer filter holding about a 1/2 quart more oil.

The pic of the Protec filter is a Mopar replacement size filter. The Bosch 3500 filter is the equivalent to a motorcraft FL1A. Both have the same gasket size and thread and pitch.


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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 07:08:50 PM »

Notice the difference in size



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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 03:29:02 AM »

Pretty cool comparison.   Thumb
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 11:22:05 AM »

who knows what about Hastings filters> I know they "used to be" good... I like Baldwin except for the cost... a case of 12 is $75...
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 07:42:08 PM »

Good question Don, some of the federated stores still show the dissected comparison of Hastings vs delco or fram. But I do not know how they compare to the rest. I use to use them solely because I worked at a Federated store. I'll have to pick one up and see how long the oil stays clean.

Lately ive been using Mann Filters. German based company with production based in the USA. These filters by far keep my oil clean the longest, milage wise.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 03:34:04 AM »

yeah my son works at Federated now, had him pick up a couple... they have the regular Hastings then "Federated by Hastings" Still made in USA  but very cheap to buy... He didnt tell me how much more the other Hastings ones cost but the  "federated by Hastings" ones he can get very cheap.

Probably 20 years ago my buddy would buy them a case at a time (not from Federated, there were none in that area)
One time he did the oil change on his Dad's van (81 Dodge, 318) which had up til then always had Hastings filters used on it; the kid had a 71 Road Runner with a 440 and wanted "the best" of everything for that car...
Well this one time on his Dad's van, Dad went to leave work and no oil pressure, it had been fine on the ride to work. He shut it down and had it towed, the shop determined something had happened within the oil filter; replaced it and all was fine with the van again.
My buddy threw almost a whole case of them in teh garbage and went to a different brand, I forget now what.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 04:52:54 AM »

i never heard of Hastings brand. I really like the AMSoil stuff, the only thing is that there not on the shelf at any of the parts store around here.
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2013, 08:22:10 AM »

huh  Hastings is one of the oldest brands in automotive aftermarket, they are known for their filters and for years Hastings had just about the only piston rings you could buy...
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 02:35:52 PM »

ancient thread revisited.... I was at the NAPA that we use for our parts supply at work today, they had their "customer appreciation" days yesterday and today, (a 2x a year deal)  One of the highlights is that they offer huge deals on filters for these 2 days on their "gold" line.  AT work we typically use their "Pro Select" line (cheapies) unless what we need isn't available in that line.  There is another line of "in between" filters too.

I had been buying them by the case for my own use (since all of my vehicles take the same ones)  from Federated, since I have an "in" there, my son used to work there, his future father in law still does so I can get a pretty good deal on parts.
Until this last case, the Federated/hastings filters I had been getting were US made. The last case (they changed their numbering system) are China-made.  unless that was a 1 time "fluke," I'm done buying those . My son's future FIL knows that when I come in I don't want the cheap stuff,  unless I am "in a bind" and absolutely can't wait or can't get the good stuff. and he usually does me pretty well in that department. I'll use those on the garden tractor's hydrostat trans, I guess.... not on my trucks.

The last case came from last Fall's Napa Customer appreciation days, Napa Gold's. I use the 1068, same filter as the 1085 that our vehicle takes but 1/2 way between that length and the PH8A-FL1A length.  Longer filter= more filter area. 
I still have a couple left from that batch, but I bought another case of them today "while the gettin' is good".....
I was there today (hey they give free lunch during their customer appreciation days haha)  and asked for a case of the same filters as last time.
The salesman came out with a case of filters, and asked if those would "do"... I said "yeah".  He gave me a case of Donaldson Filters this time, I think they are actually some old stock he was trying to get rid of....but that's OK, they don't go bad sittin on a shelf.  I see alot of Donaldson stuff on larger trucks and industrial equipment. 

Does anyone here have any experience with Donaldson?    I'd go back to the Baldwin cuz I like those,  but at over $6 each the last time I bought them,  (I don't have an "in" anywhere to get a deal on those)  I rack up the miles too fast and change oil too often to spend that much on filters.....   For what they charged me for the ones I got today, if they are good, I'll keep buying them...... unless/until they go to China production.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 06:13:02 PM »

I have never used Donaldson filters but our diesel fleet trucks use to use them, then our fleet was switched to a name I never heard of. 

Donaldson makes their own oil filters and also make just about every type of filter you can think of in a number of different countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson_Company
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POS Chevy Trailblazer 4x4, the 4x4 is the only good part. This thing is a turd.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2018, 10:07:48 AM »

We use a lot of Donaldson filters on my Cat Gensets in my powerplant. But a different animal than a small auto filter. But they seem to made ok.
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